Help me out with work and take this survey about how you don't like telling jobs about money!

"Textured Soy Protein" (texturedsoyprotein) 05/29/2019 at 10:06 • Filed to: None

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Do you hate applying for jobs and negotiating salaries? Well, have I got a survey for you! When you apply for jobs, some companies only make you upload your resume and complete a basic diversity questionnaire. Others have complicat ed applications that ask uncomfortable questions about money. What do you prefer? Now’s your chance to be heard! (by me)

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Ash78, voting early and often > Textured Soy Protein 05/28/2019 at 16:05

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Blocked by work! I need a survey about random site blocking by employers.

I don’t mind talking about salary. There are ways to tapdance around it. You should never answer a “So how much do you make now?” question without a much larger discussion of the job you’re applying for. If you answer it directly, you’re basically saying “You can offer me 5-10% more and I will be pressured.”

My standard answer: “Well, until I know more about the details of this role, all I can really say I’m targeting positions in the XX-XX range.”

Then you’re giving them an easy out, as well. If they don’t balk, then you know you’re in business. Don’t share your current salary until later if you can avoid it.

Party-vi > Textured Soy Protein 05/28/2019 at 16:07

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I have managed to bumble-fuck-up every single salary negotiation I’ve ever had. I’m that good.

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > Textured Soy Protein 05/28/2019 at 16:11

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Nibby > Textured Soy Protein 05/28/2019 at 16:13

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all checks are to be deposited to my bank account only

WilliamsSW > Textured Soy Protein 05/28/2019 at 16:20

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I hate including salary info on an initial submission. I get that employers want to make sure we’re both in the same ballpark, but it just feels like I’m negotiating against myself.

Like my resume? Email/ call and let’s chat - and it would be REAL nice if you volunteered your range first. Then I’m happy to talk honestly about whether it’s a fit or not.

Spanfeller is a twat > Textured Soy Protein 05/28/2019 at 16:20

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I think salary expectations should be clear, and it should be public information so that the marketplace remains competitive and that discrimination is harder to place

VajazzleMcDildertits - read carefully, respond politely > Textured Soy Protein 05/28/2019 at 16:27

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This is not some kind of elitist critique, but I struggled with your second sentence a bit. I am wondering if some whitespace formatting would help be it more legible. Just a small suggestion that’s obviously not a big deal, just hoping to help. 

At this point in my life I’m really only looking for either really slow paced or really lucrative while I can still do them. My TCO is high enough that anyone who knows what they are doing knows I probably don’t deserve the money at this point.

Textured Soy Protein > VajazzleMcDildertits - read carefully, respond politely 05/28/2019 at 16:57

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Second sentence of the post or survey?

VajazzleMcDildertits - read carefully, respond politely > Textured Soy Protein 05/28/2019 at 17:02

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When you apply for jobs, some companies only make you upload your resume and complete a basic diversity questionnaire, while others have complicated applications that ask uncomfortable questions about money.

This one. Maybe I should just use a bigger or smaller font size. I think it’s maybe the comma’s fault.

I’m not a grammar nazi, so I normally wouldn’t have said anything, but I was wondering if anyone else felt the same way... if not,  please disregard

Chuckles > Textured Soy Protein 05/28/2019 at 17:03

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I hate when Employers ask what I'm making. At my previous job I was underpaid but the area had much cheaper housing. So I didn't feel like my NC salary was relevant in PA, because I knew that I wasn't going to find a 2 bedroom apartment for $450 a month in PA.

fintail > Spanfeller is a twat 05/28/2019 at 17:09

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This.

When it isn’t, one can only ask, what are they hiding?

Textured Soy Protein > VajazzleMcDildertits - read carefully, respond politely 05/28/2019 at 17:16

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I edited it, just for you. 

VajazzleMcDildertits - read carefully, respond politely > Textured Soy Protein 05/28/2019 at 17:21

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Well, I do appreciate it, although if you had said no I would have also been 100% with that

nermal > Textured Soy Protein 05/28/2019 at 17:36

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It’s a game and an annoying one at that . Especially when you begin talking about comp plans with incentives.

Tell me what the base pay and target total pay with incentives is. I’ll make a decision with that. Personally I’d take a sizable cut in salary for an equally sizable increase in target comp. 

Poor_Sh > Textured Soy Protein 05/28/2019 at 18:14

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My only big boy job is for the govt who can't give you more than everyone gets depending on education level only. So no negotiating which is nice, but no negotiating or merit based compensation so not nice at the same time. Good benefits though.

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > fintail 05/28/2019 at 18:19

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They’re hiding the money you’ve been cheated out of since you were fifteen, of course.

fintail > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 05/28/2019 at 20:56

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Hey, those Escalades and G-Wagens for the Stepfords won’t buy themselves.

Snuze: Needs another Swede > Poor_Sh 05/29/2019 at 10:36

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You are working for the wrong (or right, depending on how you look at it) part of the government.

DoD is on the Demo pay system. I got to negotiate my salary coming in, and get merit based raises on top of the gov wide cost of living raises we get (most years, anyways).

Apparently DoD was a testbed for this system a number of years ago , and the rest of the government recoiled in horror at the prospect of a merit based pay system instead of, you know, getting GS step & grade increases merely by having a pulse. So gov wide rollout was dropped but DoD kept it because that salary negotiation allows them more flexibility in hiring talented people and gets them pretty close to private sector wages.  I got a nice bump coming to the gov.  

Snuze: Needs another Swede > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever 05/29/2019 at 10:37

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Can I help that puppy by adopting it? It’s adorable, and Ozzy could use a friend (maybe... I think he might like being an only dog ).  

Snuze: Needs another Swede > Party-vi 05/29/2019 at 10:38

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You get a star for using one of my favorite terms - bumble-fuck.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > VajazzleMcDildertits - read carefully, respond politely 05/29/2019 at 11:56

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“ really slow paced or really lucrative”

YES. We’re in a transition period, so I’m getting both these days.

We’ll see how long it lasts! 

Snuze: Needs another Swede > Textured Soy Protein 05/29/2019 at 12:14

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I helpeded! 

VajazzleMcDildertits - read carefully, respond politely > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 05/29/2019 at 13:14

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I’ve got fast pace and lucrative right now and I know in my heart of hearts after about 40 I won’t be doing it well, and after 45 I won’t be doing it at all.

It’s time to make as much money as possible and then skedaddle. 

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > VajazzleMcDildertits - read carefully, respond politely 05/29/2019 at 13:42

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Yessir. Get while the gettin’s good, and then git! 

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Textured Soy Protein 05/31/2019 at 16:54

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There’s a guy I once knew at church, though I didn’t find him very likable, who said, essentially, that in any negotiation, the person who utters the first number surrenders the negotiation. I think there’s something to that. Some job postings state a salary range. I’ve had recruiters ask me my salary requirements. I guess if they ask...

Textured Soy Protein > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 05/31/2019 at 17:21

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Generally your un-likeable fellow parishioner is correct.

In a job situation, usually a company already has a range defined. There are varying degrees of flexibility to exceed the range.

In my experience as a recruiter , folks generally have a pretty good idea of how much they want to make, and if anyone balks at discussing it I try to put them at ease that I’m not actually trying to hold that information against them. The key is building that trust because most people expect that information to be, well, held against them .

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Textured Soy Protein 05/31/2019 at 17:56

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I’m a teacher and unlike most other teachers, I’ve actually held ( a) real job(s) .*

This is a tangentially related aside: If I am correct, the Vietnam War produced exactly one ace (a fighter pilot with five confirmed kills): Randy Cunningham. I saw Cunningham interviewed on Wings Channel years ago. One of Cunningham’s kills was the top NV fighter pilot and to hear Cunningham’s telling, he knew he was up against someone really good, but Cunningham had been to Top Gun at Miramar, and said, “When I went up against this guy, I had 35 simulated combats under my belt, so I wasn’t worried.” (Paraphrased slightly...)

I was a Pawn Stars junkie. I’d skip through all the drivel, unless I found the item particularly interesting, and skip to the bargaining. As far as I know, I watched every single bargaining on every episode of Pawn Stars. (Plus, I liked Grandpa...) So when I face a negotiation now, generally, I’ve seen literally hundreds of bargainings on Pawn Stars and they do not intimidate me.

*Teachers get significantly butt hurt when I say this because, they are convinced, they have real jobs, too, which ain’t so. Not to say they don’t earn their salaries, or that their jobs aren’t difficult nor demanding, just that it’s not a real job. Ten weeks off for Summer? In a real job, when can you take even two  weeks off at a time?